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john boehner is asking to outline a plan and get fellow republicans on board. ryan will likely be under the most pressure to back away from his conservative politics. his run for vp no doubt brought him some new-found respect and political clout amongst his colleagues. they say they will confident they will be able to reach some sort of a deal by the engineer of the deal, they need to be at an impasse when it comes to taxes. they said any deal to reduce the deficit should come through pro-gross reforms. that means things like lowers rates, and closing loopholes. >> just to close loopholes is far too little money, and they have said they weren't it to be revenue neutral. the president has been very clear, that the higher-income people have to pay their fair share. >> that means no deal from the democrats if republicans will not agree to raise taxes on the wealthy, but pelosi says she is optimistic. more john coming up after the break. stay with us. ♪ created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick lo
john boehner is asking to outline a plan and get fellow republicans on board. ryan will likely be under the most pressure to back away from his conservative politics. his run for vp no doubt brought him some new-found respect and political clout amongst his colleagues. they say they will confident they will be able to reach some sort of a deal by the engineer of the deal, they need to be at an impasse when it comes to taxes. they said any deal to reduce the deficit should come through pro-gross...
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and that's actually very important for speaker boehner because despite the loss that paul ryan had on a national level, he still has a considerable amount of clout within the house republican conference where a lot of folks will look towards where ryan goes. if ryan votes yes, that gives them enough cover to vote yes on a deal. >> the republican house conference seems to be operating in an alternative universe because mr. ryan told abc that the president didn't have a mandate. rather, he and his house gap gop have one. he said i think the ideas we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. did the election not happen? >> when they say they're popular ideas, they believe that -- >> that the electorate dismissed them and did not vote for them. >> but they believe that the issue of the debt is still one that they're very strong on, that people do not like to have the $16 trillion debt, that their policies are the best moving forward. but, look, martin, if anything else what you are seeing here is a very smart political ploy by speaker boehner trying not to allow what happened in august
and that's actually very important for speaker boehner because despite the loss that paul ryan had on a national level, he still has a considerable amount of clout within the house republican conference where a lot of folks will look towards where ryan goes. if ryan votes yes, that gives them enough cover to vote yes on a deal. >> the republican house conference seems to be operating in an alternative universe because mr. ryan told abc that the president didn't have a mandate. rather, he...
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if speaker boehner can deliver 25, 30 votes, we'd supply the rest of them. there's an easy and quick answer to that. the rest of it, the amt, the farm bill, there are many tax issues besides just the income tax rate we have to resolve, too. i worry about the estate tax done and other ones done if we can, and then push the other matters to next year. >> thank you so much for your time. we greatly appreciate it. talk with you soon, hopefully. thank you. >> thank you. >> the first read team reports there's a sense in the white house they need a cease-fire negotiation in the middle east asap. it could come down to a test of the new egyptian government. nbc's deputy political editor mark murray will join us live. plus, new jersey governor chris christie, you might say he stole the show on "snl." >> you have been wearing that fleece a lot. >> yaeshgs it's basically fused to my skin at this point. >> we'll have more. it's one of the things we thought you should know. >>> welcome back. president obama now on the last leg of his unprecedented trip to southeast asia.
if speaker boehner can deliver 25, 30 votes, we'd supply the rest of them. there's an easy and quick answer to that. the rest of it, the amt, the farm bill, there are many tax issues besides just the income tax rate we have to resolve, too. i worry about the estate tax done and other ones done if we can, and then push the other matters to next year. >> thank you so much for your time. we greatly appreciate it. talk with you soon, hopefully. thank you. >> thank you. >> the...
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after the election, boehner said okay, have some revenue. the president has moved the goalpostsment and said it isn't just revenue. it those be a specific kind. my liberal base -- >> chris: wait. he did mention this once or twice in the campaign. >> but the question is are you going to stick on what you campaign on or find a compromise in the end? if you are looking for votes in congress -- boehner may be able to get enough to go along and do a deal to get revenue from closing the deductions and loopholes. he is not going to get the people to go along raising rates. there is the rhetoric the president engaged in on the campaign and then there is reality of washington. he is going to have to compromise on that to some degree if he wants a deal. >> chris: so does he have to compromise or do republicans compromise? >> first, i don't understand where the republicans think they have leverage here. you have seen that in tent whichs not just by boehner but people elsewhere. re-knew saying okay, we are going to let there be more revenue. but the pre
after the election, boehner said okay, have some revenue. the president has moved the goalpostsment and said it isn't just revenue. it those be a specific kind. my liberal base -- >> chris: wait. he did mention this once or twice in the campaign. >> but the question is are you going to stick on what you campaign on or find a compromise in the end? if you are looking for votes in congress -- boehner may be able to get enough to go along and do a deal to get revenue from closing the...
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taxes increased and republicans know they'll get blamed for that and don't want it and, two, can john boehner rally a republicans who doesn't want to raise taxes? to that end it's unbelievable. the election was only 13 days ago. >> i know. >> there's been a lot of piling on mitt romney in those 13 days. i want to play something tea party republican senator had to say. this was at the federalist society about the election. let's play it. >> inevitably there are these mandarins in politics who give the voice don't show any contrast. don't rock the boat. so by the third debate, i'm pretty certain mitt romney actually french kissed barack obama. >> okay, let's put aside that image. >> yes. >> this suggests that, you know, these are the manndarins of politics, don't show any contrast, don't rock the boat,s so you have the ted cruzs of the world coming in and the boehners saying we node to caught deal on this, reform on immigration, talk about gay marriage. we need a reformation within the party. is that what the base of the party wants? and if they don't want that, if ted cruz is the voice for tha
taxes increased and republicans know they'll get blamed for that and don't want it and, two, can john boehner rally a republicans who doesn't want to raise taxes? to that end it's unbelievable. the election was only 13 days ago. >> i know. >> there's been a lot of piling on mitt romney in those 13 days. i want to play something tea party republican senator had to say. this was at the federalist society about the election. let's play it. >> inevitably there are these mandarins...
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you see what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has been saying. then you go back to the president's press conference taking a pretty tough decisive tone on susan rice and then you look at what's happening and also his position on the tax increases. take all of that together, it looks like more of the same. do you sense and from your reporting are we just having people circle each other or are their feet in stone? >> i think there's still some areas where people can get to the right place. the two things i keep thinking about is the business community, i think, what steve says is exactly right. it seems like from the outside, what they want more than anything is certainty. it's not just moment to moment. it's minute to minute. it's crisis to crisis. and that is an atmosphere that's not conclusive towards optimal economic activity. this notion of trying to get to long-term stability but not having short-term austerity measures would be too depressed on consumer activity seems like where we need to end up and a lot of pressure from republicans to the
you see what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has been saying. then you go back to the president's press conference taking a pretty tough decisive tone on susan rice and then you look at what's happening and also his position on the tax increases. take all of that together, it looks like more of the same. do you sense and from your reporting are we just having people circle each other or are their feet in stone? >> i think there's still some areas where people can get to the right...
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mcconnell came out after the talks last week, and took the microphone with pelosi and with reid and boehner at the side saying that revenue is on the table, but when the talks ramp back up after thanksgiving, is this an issue to be real negotiation or dig-in time? >> i hope it is time for a negotiation. look, if there is one thing that we learned from the president's campaign, he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy. and here is a news flash to the republicans out there, elections have consequences, and that is what he wants to do, and i'm sure he is going to accomplish some of that, but on either side when you dig in before the negotiations start, not only does it look bad, it makes the markets go up and down, and it creates instability, and insecurity among the people out here in the country feeling the pain and the brunt of some of the economic policies and the fact of the matter is that both sides need to come into it with some level of give and take, and that is how you govern and get it done, and if the president is going to ak kccomplish the polis that he did in first term that he
mcconnell came out after the talks last week, and took the microphone with pelosi and with reid and boehner at the side saying that revenue is on the table, but when the talks ramp back up after thanksgiving, is this an issue to be real negotiation or dig-in time? >> i hope it is time for a negotiation. look, if there is one thing that we learned from the president's campaign, he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy. and here is a news flash to the republicans out there, elections have...
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i read between the lines and you see speaker boehner clearly wants a deal and, perhaps, has more leverage now with the house republican caucus, but once you get down to the actual negotiations, there are some very tough issues here, a reason this has not been resolved in previous summits. >> that's right but i am optimistic there was a clear mandate, the mandate was for solving our problems. i'm encouraged at no labels.org, an organization that has about 600,000 people, is putting together a group of 40 members of congress evenly split between democrats and republicans who are agreeing to come together as a problem solver's caucus, that the leadership can go to and cut deals on these important problems like the fiscal cliff, education. we have members of congress that recognize that people want them to be problem solvers and work across the aisle. we'll be announcing these 40 members in short order and that represents the kind of mood we're seeing in the shift in congress. >> let me ask you both about mitt romney's post-election comments last wednesday, be in a telephone conference call w
i read between the lines and you see speaker boehner clearly wants a deal and, perhaps, has more leverage now with the house republican caucus, but once you get down to the actual negotiations, there are some very tough issues here, a reason this has not been resolved in previous summits. >> that's right but i am optimistic there was a clear mandate, the mandate was for solving our problems. i'm encouraged at no labels.org, an organization that has about 600,000 people, is putting...
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the speaker of the house john boehner says that he backed away from an agreed compromise on raising the debt limit. an article in "the new york times" magazine tends to support that charge the reason he painted a picture of obama standing firm and the negotiations as the apparent requirement for the resolution of the legislation approaches the end as it appears that even more are being forecast for the next congress if it will take an unusually skillful second term president to deliver solutions to the financial problems facing the nation. if the task rests on the shoulders of barack obama will he emulate wells and who wouldn't compromise or would he like eisenhower? regan, clinton and washington figured out how to win against the odds. of course to achieve the accommodation in congress he would need a lyndon johnson, tip o'neill or new gingrich to lead the congress majority that would follow. so what specifically what i recommend that he would do to avoid the challenges of the second term? he should appoint an intermediary with the skills of simpson-bowles to work with the congress on
the speaker of the house john boehner says that he backed away from an agreed compromise on raising the debt limit. an article in "the new york times" magazine tends to support that charge the reason he painted a picture of obama standing firm and the negotiations as the apparent requirement for the resolution of the legislation approaches the end as it appears that even more are being forecast for the next congress if it will take an unusually skillful second term president to...
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we heard a good turn from speaker boehner. we have not seen a particular plan with respect to the other issues -- the approach we believe we should take to health care and medicare is to contain cost in the overall health care system. the per-capita increase in cost in the private health care system is running higher than in the medicare system transferring costs onto individuals and not a stress the fundamental problem. move away from a fee for service system in medicare. that is the better way to go. >> the run ideas past few that have been floating around the hill raising that trigger in terms of higher taxes for those earning a million dollars a year or $500,000 per year. how will that play? how will that play in the democratic caucus? >> people will consider various options. make sure we boost job growth and make sure we put us on a path to long-term sustainable deficit reduction. the issue is what is the revenue to cut? look at the simpson-bowles plan. look at the overall framework. look at the revenue component of how t
we heard a good turn from speaker boehner. we have not seen a particular plan with respect to the other issues -- the approach we believe we should take to health care and medicare is to contain cost in the overall health care system. the per-capita increase in cost in the private health care system is running higher than in the medicare system transferring costs onto individuals and not a stress the fundamental problem. move away from a fee for service system in medicare. that is the better...
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john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion dollar deficits sthao based on your experience in working with president obama is he willing to go for significant tax reform, change the whole problem? that would be historical. >> we will not get out of this mess without growing this economy, and the only way to do that is to have structural reform and tax reform. this isn't something that republicans have sat back on. we have passed legislation already that sets up the framework to have tax ry reform. we've passed it to take away the sequestration that he says in the debate will not happen. bee have already passed that in the ho
john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion...
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i mean this is boehner, paul ryan, cantor and pelosi, reid, key members there, this is like two groups, they are not briefing their conferences much. they are not going out there and telling people what they are doing. these are private negotiations. from what i understand, they are pretty active private negotiations. this is where we are right now. again, we should point out based on everything i know, no deal until after thanksgiving. and by the way, then it becomes key. this is really interesting. if you don't have a deal after thanksgiving, think about what m cos next -- think about what comes next, you have christmas holiday shopping, that's a huge time for retailers, if people think they are going to get taxed, a fiscal cliff scenario where all the tax rates go up, every single bracket goes up, right, are people going to spend money? that's a real question. liz: we have a guest coming up to talk exactly about that. we will ask him that question. >> yeah, and i think this clock really starts ticking after this week because that's when people start thinking how much money -- it's a
i mean this is boehner, paul ryan, cantor and pelosi, reid, key members there, this is like two groups, they are not briefing their conferences much. they are not going out there and telling people what they are doing. these are private negotiations. from what i understand, they are pretty active private negotiations. this is where we are right now. again, we should point out based on everything i know, no deal until after thanksgiving. and by the way, then it becomes key. this is really...
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. >> there is agreement all around that boehner wants a deal. the speaker wants a deal, but he cannot sell a deal, even with the goodwill that he thinks he and the president have on that right now, unless there is real graham ruddman type, real requirements, that these things go in simultaneously. and that's what jim baker wrote about recently, who's had that experience, of fashioning exactly that kind of deal. >> it's important, though, that -- >> you have to cut spending in the future. >> you can raise taxes with one congress. but it takes five congresses to cut spending. >> it's important to keep the focus on growth. not taxes, not spending cuts. you know, the goal here is to get our growth from, you know, one plus percent, up to three and four percent. if we don't get growth going, none of this will matter at all. it's really important as the president frames this that he frames it as growth, and therefore i need this tax increase for these people. this kind of spending cuts here. because it will leverage this kind of growth. >> but that's n
. >> there is agreement all around that boehner wants a deal. the speaker wants a deal, but he cannot sell a deal, even with the goodwill that he thinks he and the president have on that right now, unless there is real graham ruddman type, real requirements, that these things go in simultaneously. and that's what jim baker wrote about recently, who's had that experience, of fashioning exactly that kind of deal. >> it's important, though, that -- >> you have to cut spending in...
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. >> there has been some change there, and speaker boehner has put up with you all that branch and signified he is willing to talk. that's what negotiations are about. i just look out the clinton, bush tax cut issue and where you put the rates as a major part of the solution when you look at the amount of money you could bring in and you add that into some of the deductions we're talking about, but that is a big chunk of change. >> and in a press conference he just did, the president seemed to -- >> one of my colleagues from where this enemies i missed it, they did pass their blackberry over commission to show show me that since. so, you know, clearly is showing flexibility which i think is important. clear the republicans in the house have to, to. >> this will be a congress where you think by the end of this year hopefully sort out the fiscal cliff. are you confident of that? >> i think will have to sort it out part of it and sorted under clinton afford. i do think every key will be crossed and every eye will be guided by the something's we should be done at the end of the year. there's doc
. >> there has been some change there, and speaker boehner has put up with you all that branch and signified he is willing to talk. that's what negotiations are about. i just look out the clinton, bush tax cut issue and where you put the rates as a major part of the solution when you look at the amount of money you could bring in and you add that into some of the deductions we're talking about, but that is a big chunk of change. >> and in a press conference he just did, the...
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vulnerability updates for microsoft if you are using a pc that are addressing boehner build is they discovered every couple days. they easily --vulnerabilities they discovered every couple days and patched up. it is very important you keep your start -- software and hardware up to current configuration c do not have any vulnerabilities. almost all of those agencies are reporting they are not doing that. segregation of duties -- this may not be the most important. this is the fox guarding the hen house. you have secured personnel responsible for security management. those should be different people than the people who have just general system administration functions. in general when you get into a very trusted organization many times this person could be one and the same. then you have contingency planning or disaster recovery. this deals with if something does happen, and a natural disaster or a man-made disaster or an attack, can you get back up if your system crashes? you have redundancy behind it? is it running in parallel with your current system, a hot backup so it ultimately goes over -
vulnerability updates for microsoft if you are using a pc that are addressing boehner build is they discovered every couple days. they easily --vulnerabilities they discovered every couple days and patched up. it is very important you keep your start -- software and hardware up to current configuration c do not have any vulnerabilities. almost all of those agencies are reporting they are not doing that. segregation of duties -- this may not be the most important. this is the fox guarding the...
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at 1.6 and we're talking about four total so that's 2.4 to 1.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the expiration of the high income tax cuts which they proposed to get rid of. apples to apples, in terms of the way people are currently adding up their math, it's approximately a 1:1 ratio. >> erskine bowles said you should look at 3:1 in terms of spending cuts to revenue. >> i'm just saying what was in bowles-simpson. >> let's not forget about growth, we need to stimulate growth and a lot of it on the innovation side. >> david thank you, appreciate it i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again i
at 1.6 and we're talking about four total so that's 2.4 to 1.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the...